| Baptism Romans 6:3-5......BAPTISM...There are three biblically true Christian baptisms of a
                      Jesus believer: NOTE: I think that most laypersons simply go along with the culture or rules on baptism that are current in their own local church. For any who try to study the topic as lay persons, I doubt that there is any topic in the Christian church that is more subject to being a part of a person's own, private, personal theology. 
                Now, the rite or sacrament of baptism is performed by humans of a Christian church with an individual and
                is their "birthday" into the Christian church. The one being baptized becomes part of the flock that recognizes and believes ("puts on") in The Shepherd, Jesus. Baptism might VERY loosely be lumped under the heading of "religious initiation rite". But, for Christians, baptism is SO much more! A "divider"? "Baptism" is a topic whose understanding divides the
                  worldwide Christian body to my great distress! Keeping the various Biblical baptisms straight is confusing:
                  there is (1) Jewish baptism which John the Baptist performed & the disciples underwent (the disciples had  the incoming of the Holy Spirit later). Then there is (2) the unique baptism of
                  Jesus by John the Baptist (Matthew
                    3:13-17) which was not for cleansing or remission of sin (it was a baptism of identification with humans). And, seemingly like a dove, the Holy Spirit dscended onto Jesus in an identification manner. (3) There is the all-important
                      Holy Spirit spiritual baptism (#1, below) of true believers for the past 2000 years by Jesus (Matthew 3:11) since His
                      ascension after His resurrection. I am convinced that this #3 can happen with or without the "sanction" of the organized church. This incoming & indwelling of the Holy Spirit within that new believer causes entry into The Kingdom of God and the Universal Body of Believers (the Church Universal). But, baptism within a gathering of a body of believers has great merit because of the identification...the "putting on" of Jesus...and joining into the "flock" that takes place amongst those gathered. And finally, there is (4) the church-administered water baptism of the past 2000
                      years, powerfully setting the person apart as a member of a church body (as if God imputes the connection through the gathered church body)...a member of the Faith (I'm not sure whether or not this, alone, results in the incoming and indwelling of the Holy Spirit). This setting aside of the person by those gathered who are sinners saved by Grace is thought to confer some favor by God...the infant is presented on the coat-tails of those gathered who believe (just as believers are presented & justified before God on the coat-tails of Jesus)...until that new believer is at a point of confirmation & fulfillment of his/her belief & faith in Jesus & understands & accepts Jesus as his/her Lord & Savior. The confirmation event becomes the basis of his/her personal spiritual baptism. This water baptism is either at the request of other believers or the request of the new believer and agreement of the  baptized members present.  Jesus' blood was shed on the
                      cross as a substitutionary sacrifice; I think it was for the remission/forgiveness (Matthew 26:28) of
                      all sin for all mankind. I have not yet found clear evidence that Christian literal water
                      baptism (the church sacrament; the church ordinance) performed by humans...though sacredly
                      (sacramentally) symbolizing things that underpin eternal salvation...adds to Jesus' shed
                      blood to cause any further forgiveness (remission) of sin. BUT, the one baptized certainly becomes aware of what Jesus did for him/her. What makes a HUGE difference is Spiritual baptism, #1 below! When the word "baptism" is used in the church
                      arena, most Americans would think of Christian "water baptism", the rite or sacrament of one joining the
                      Christian church & being set aside from The World for entry into membership
                      in the Universal Church (the Body of Christ) in the earthly component of eternity & the
                      Kingdom of God. Holy Spirit baptism (#3, above), however, is the "real deal" (see below). And God,
                      speaking through Paul, assures us that there is just one baptism (Ephesians 4:4-6) needed
                      (the Holy Spirit baptism, I'd contend). As to the world-wide 1000s
                      of local bodies of believers constituting the "Christian church", baptism is a topic seen
                      through cultural, traditional, and theological lenses of many different colors and textures.
                      Just 30 years after Jesus' death, Paul confronted controversy about baptism (the works...not
                      by grace alone...proxy baptism of the living for those who died not having been
                      water-baptized [1
                      Corinthians 15:29-32]).  The Bible does not contain a statement that
                  baptismal waters are a magical liquid conferring eternal salvation (I Peter 3:20-21 does not indicate that water baptism saves). Therefore, it seems to me that
                  literal water baptism alone is not an eternal-life "insurance policy". The Bible never says that Jesus,
                  Himself, ever baptized people with water (in fact John 4:2 explicitly
                    says that Jesus did not, Himself, baptize)! Yet baptism...Holy Spirit
                    baptism (being sealed by the Spirit...having "saving belief")...defines the true Jesus believer. But, water
                    baptism is a critical, sacred act of the church, necessary (John 3:5) by command
                      of Jesus but apparently not absolutely "legally " necessary for eternal salvation (thief on
                      the Cross; a Holy Spirit sealed believer who dies before water baptism). I interpret
                      that John 3:5 refers...water and Spirit...to either the Word of God or human birth (water) and
                        the "born again" birth via the Holy Spirit (that is, no demons or spirits of other types may
                        enter the Kingdom). So, there is mystery within the aggregate of info to follow. Biblical
                      "baptism" is like a prism with at least three facets & without clearly mandated
                        distinctions as to timing and mechanics/modes. 
                    
                        
                            Spiritual
                                 (Holy Spirit) baptism: The crucially important one, and the one which I believe
                                 is indicated in Matthew 3:11, Mark 16:16, and John 1:33 is Holy Spirit baptism administered by
                                 Jesus: the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (also referred to in Mark 1:8,  John 1:32-34 and I
                                 Corinthians 12:13)...the baptism which is triggered by Jesus (Luke
                                 3:16). Through this mysterious, unfathmable miracle, that particular believer is ever after involved in an irrevocable intimacy with God that intertwines every fiber of his or her being for eternity! In view of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit was placed upon various people of
                                 Old Testament times as God saw fit.  It is now most often triggered if, &
                                 immediately when, the new believer becomes converted by
                                 faith...comes to "saving belief"...to being a "fully saved" true believer by honestly & truly
                                 asking/obtaining Christ to be his/her earthly & eternal Lord and Savior &
                                 acknowledging the substitutionary sacrifice Jesus made for him/her on the cross
                        ("credobaptism"..."credo = "I believe"). 
 The Holy Spirit came down onto Jesus and identified Him. It would be 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus (Pentecost) before the Holy Spirit would become available to mankind! It is said by some that (1) the gift of the Holy Spirit is given in the church's sacramental
                        process & (2) that gift "unwrapped" to "indwell" at the moment of "belief".
                        At that moment of "belief", the Holy Spirit eternally thereafter indwells that believer who is then instantly part of the earthly "Church Universal" (of indwelt believers in Jesus Christ) and, therefore, part of THE (possibly larger) Kingdom of God.
 
 I'm told that
                        some translate Mark 1:10 that Jesus was pierced (entered into) by the dove (Holy
                        Spirit) when baptized by John the Baptist. Even if the Holy Spirit did not pierce Jesus, it "came onto" Him in identification of the "Three in One". After the Resurrection of Jesus on that first Sunday, He "breathed" the
                        Holy Spirit on the Disciples as they hid in terror. Fifty days after the Passover
                        Sabbath at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was put onto all of those followers gathered
                        into the congregation. The incoming of the Holy Spirit to indwell true believers (spiritual baptism) gives the
                        believer something (a "salvation") that worldly humans can't have: the
                        availability of an internal, eternal, personal, irreversable, divine power source. So, we have to
                        view Mark 16:16 as a doctrine of assurance and not limitation (water baptism is a
                        human ritual...human works...but we are actually saved by grace alone [Mark
                        10:26-27]). If the person has not previously obtained the gift of the Holy Spirit by
                        sacramental water baptism, Jesus triggers/sends the Holy Spirit into a person to
                        indwell right away...triggered at that point that Jesus "makes you
                        His"...your "coming to saving belief". This baptism causes
                          the new believer to be spiritually declared purified & transformed into a new
                          creation (regenerated)...a new (spiritual) birth ("BORN AGAIN").
                          This is the moment of conversion from (a) being divinely
                          "elected" and "drawn" (and possibly even set aside) to (b) being
                          reborn (born again). The indwelling of the Holy Spirit thereby places the believer
                          into the position of being "in Christ", "sealed by the Spirit", cleansed by
                          declaration & identification with Jesus. The coming in of the Holy Spirit is a
                          divine mystery about which we are given some...but not all...information (see
                          below about Samaria and also about The Elect). And, as the incoming of the Spirit into Jesus immediately sent Him into His
                            ministry, so does Its incoming send each of us into our ministry...whatever it
                            might be! This indwelling of the Spirit confers an advantage to the believer while
                            living that part of "eternity" which is on
                            earth PLUS much more in the afterlife state of "fully saved".
 
 In exceptional historical times (the apostles on the day of Pentecost, above, followed
                            by about 3000 who believed and were baptized Acts 2:1-4, & Acts 2:41) and in even modern
                              times (George
                                Foreman), God sends the Holy Spirit into people to execute
                                  spiritual baptism though they never even asked for it or professed belief as above. God can
                                  do as He pleases!
 
 No one but God
                                    knows when this new birth has truly occurred. It might occur alone/privately,
                                    prior to believer's water baptism, after believer's water baptism, years later, or
                                    in relation to a church "confirmation" (affirmation of infant baptism) process.
                                    Some Christian churches (for example, Quakers) do not perform water baptism,
                                    believing that spiritual (Holy Spirit) baptism is all that is required. This
                                    spiritual baptism leaves the new believer uncomfortable with the old life to the point
                                    that life changes begin in that person. And...if there has been enough elapsed
                                    time since the event...you can be pretty sure of your Holy Spirit baptism if you
                                    know that your life has changed, especially when you sense that
                                    you are able to reflect the "fruits of the Holy Spirit" (love, etc.). THEN, this
                                    newborn individual is ready to obey the two commands of Jesus and equipped to
                                    follow His direction to go forth and share the Gospel and baptize (Matthew
                                    28:19-20). Yes, when you help another come to belief
                                      in Jesus by faith, you are part (a baptizer?) of the baptism of that
                                      person! If you have doubts as to whether you have become indwelt with the Spirit, talk with a beleiver you trust, a/your pastor, or get into prayer and pray your uncertainties to God and profess your belief in Jesus and ask for this aspect of eternal salvation...do it again and again until you "know". Spiritual baptism lasts from the first moment on earth and on throughout eternity!
 
 NOTE: God sent His Holy Spirit onto people before Jesus came to earth as a completely unique human. As such, the Spirit was only "upon" the person or people; they could not do something themselves that would cause the Spirit to indwell them (examples = Numbers 11:16-17 &  Judges 3:9-10). Jesus (Matthew 1:18) was conceived by the Holy Spirit. But, later, as Jesus was in the womb...when Mary Mother to be of Jesus visited Elizabeth...Elizabeth's baby (John the Baptists) lept in her womb and Elizabeth was filled (Luke 1:39-43) with the Holy Spirit. While in Mary, Jesus was filled (Luke 1:15) with the Holy Spirit
 . 
                        
                            Experiential baptism: Talking to a huge crowd and His
                                 disciples, Jesus began to tell about how His first coming to earth wasn't to bring
                                 peace on earth (though He would bring peace into the hearts of individual
                                 believers). It was to bring division as those who stood for Him would be opposed
                                 by those who arose against Him (Luke 12:49-51). This turmoil would represent an
                                 immersion into a Way of life...a "baptism"...for Him and for His followers. Jesus
                                 would experientially be baptized through His atoning death, burial, and
                                 resurrection. For the follower, this type of baptism has to do with the struggle
                                 (Romans 7:7-25) he/she will undergo following a decision to get serious about
                                 living the Christian life...walking The Walk & following The Way...believing
                                 in and following Jesus. This baptism process lasts from the moment of conversion
                                 until the earthly death of that believer (but it is also part of the experience of your soul and lasts, as such, on into eternity as a part of your personal history.
                        
                            Water
                                 baptism: And there is the Christian sacrament & church
                                 ordinance of water baptism which is the sacred function of
                                 each local Christian church & is variously done to adults & infants. It is
                                 commanded by Jesus (John 3:5; Matthew 28:19) and later affirmed by Peter (Acts 2:38-39). If done after an
                                 age-of-reason decision for Jesus as a public identification (upon public
                                 profession of faith, Acts 2:41) of one thought to be a "Holy Spirit born again
                                 believer" in Jesus Christ of Nazareth...male or female, it is a "Christian
                                 believer's ritual water baptism". If performed on an age-of-reason adult who
                                 simply thinks they are joining the church, or who otherwise really has not had the
                                 incoming of the Holy Spirit (including such as an incapable-of- reasoning retarded
                                 or brain-damaged non-child), it is a "Christian ritual water baptism". If
                                 performed on an infant or before-the-age-of-reason child, it is a "Christian
                                 ritual water baptism". It is intended to publicly "mark" people of the covenant
                                 (separating them from those who just understand & know a lot about
                                 Jesus...have a lot of "head knowledge" about Jesus)...later to be
                                 "confirmed", ratified, by their personal acceptance of Jesus as their Savior and public confession of
                                 belief at "confirmation" at around age 12-14. Upon "confirmation", the person chooses to do so and takes charge of their own "faith life". But according to Peter, the gift of
                                 the spirit is given (not earned; a human has no "right" to it), no matter the age or the mental intent or status of
                                 the one baptized (see spiritual baptism, above).
 Many consider this water baptism to be...as a sort of parallel
                            with circumcision (the sign of the old covenant between God & Abraham)...a sign to
                            society of the person being now in the new covenant in Jesus. Old
                            Testament circumcision was for males only and commanded by God to be
                            done at age 8 days (Genesis 17:12)...as an infant. While this might sound crude &
                            disrespectful, one might more casually think of Christian ritual water baptism as a
                            sacred "initiation rite" into the "club". This ritual water baptism, done after a true
                            decision at "an age of reason,"  is often referred to as "believer's baptism". It
                            often happens that a person undergoes what the pastor and congregation THINK is a
                            "believer's baptism"; but, the one who gets wet is not actually & truly born again of the
                            Spirit. Water baptism is usually performed in a sacred manner and is, therefore,
                            "sacramental". When folks in Samaria wanted to follow Jesus, they were baptized into
                            His name; but the Holy Spirit came in later (Acts 8:4-13) after the laying on of hands
                            by the Apostles.
 [what is the
                            Gospel?] [what is a true
                            Christian?
 
                                                    INFANT BAPTISM ("pedobaptism") is a type of water baptism, a 
                        new-covenantal "marking" of a new "believer-family member" by the
                          believers...the "faith family" and possibly even  "set aside"..."marked"...by the Holy Spirit (but I do not think there is yet an indwelling by the Holy Spirit). Members of the flock bring the infant into the company of the flock of The Shepherd (Jesus). Circumcision was/is an infant
                        old-covenantal marking of a new "believer-family member" by the
                        believers...the "faith family". It seems to have been mandated when Peter commanded new
                        converts be baptized, "And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for
                        you and your children" (Acts 2:38-39). I believe that baptism by the Spirit to "indwell" happens with a
                        believing heart that trusts in God's Word as to Jesus, and the water-baptized infant is
                        by custom considered to be "borrowing" that believing heart from believer parents (I am at a loss for
                        the Scriptural support for this). For those who believe in the doctrine of "the office of the
                        keys" (based on John 20:23), the clergyman may cause a touching/marking of the infant's life
                        by the Holy Spirit. It is the acknowledgement of God for the sake of the infant & the
                        bringing  of a new life...suckling ones (from infancy to age 12)...to Jesus (Mark
                          10:13-16 & Luke 18:15-17). I think that infant baptism is a variant of the sacrament of
                        ritual water baptism...[not a "believer's baptism"]...in which the family & church make a
                        public identification of the infant as a member of a Christian family (the flock) and do so in behalf of
                        the infant. It is a  parallel to Jewish infant circumcision...see above. In a way, both
                        the parents & the local church body come together and symbolically place this
                        infant...this "lump of clay"...onto the Potter's wheel (Holy Spirit baptism, above,
                        actually places the "clay" on the real Potter's wheel), giving the child and its
                        future over to God in the name of Jesus & with the commitment of the family toward a
                        Christian raising of the child.
                      
                      In that this identification places the believer
                        into the church status of being clean before God, it resembles the Jewish water
                        purification (an "ablution"...a ceremonial cleansing...tevilah) which was by immersion in ritual bath
                        pools called mikva'ot (singular, mikveh), pools filled with living water delivered by
                        God (from rain or springs...not drawn water from wells). An early directive (author unknown)
                        to new Christian churches and heads of families (the Didache...about AD 100) also prefers
                        "living water". But infant baptism has a variety of meanings, depending on the type of
                        Christian church it is done in.
                      
                      Since ancient times (and
                        until America), the usual culture of any nation has been that
                          church (religion) and state (government) are one and the
                          same. And there was nearly zero tolerance for differences...the people had to be the same. It
                          was impossible to believe that you could have a society of diverse beliefs and yet have
                          national cohesion. Exclusion was prevalent (exclusiveness is a strong
                          general feature of human nature, by the way).
                      
                      Jesus (Christianity) presented a radical departure
                        from this way of thinking in that he commanded love toward God & toward everyone
                        (inclusiveness). But in 312 AD, the governmental miss-use of Christianity
                        accelerated with the "conversion" (?) of the emperor, Constantine, to Christianity. He saw it
                        as the best religion to use for the advancement of his Roman empire. He called the Council of
                        Nicea in order to unify Christian doctrine. Christianity became the official religion of Rome
                        at his death. The Vikings also used Christianity to unify their people.Christian infant ritual water baptism, by
                        historical review, was first noted in North Africa between 100-200AD. However, it is also
                        implied in Acts 16:31-33 (the baptizing of the jailer "and all his family"). Then, Roman
                        empire leaders wove infant baptism into the Church of Rome procedures because (?) it would
                        have the political effect of uniting the upcoming generations immediately into
                        Christianity...born into Christianity...continuing and solidifying the religious
                        AND "state" unity of the Empire. Non-Christians were killed. Certain
                        Christians objected to infant baptism and were killed. But, from the religious
                        viewpoint over the past 2000 years, efforts at early-age weaving of the children into a
                        "family and community of Christian fellowship and faith" are highly
                        important.
 
 As stated near the beginning of this page, this setting aside of the person by those gathered who are sinners saved by Grace is thought to confer some favor by God...the infant is presented on the coat-tails of those gathered who believe (just as believers are presented & justified before God on the coat-tails of Jesus)...until that new believer is at a point of possible confirmation of his/her belief in Jesus. At confirmation, if the confirmand truly believes and accepts Jesus as Savior and thereby undergoes his/her private, spiritual baptism (#1, above).
 
 
              But
    Jesus himself was uniquely baptized (the baptism of Divine identification) between age 12 & 30, not an infant: He was baptized by John
    the Baptist no sooner than the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1). His was unique
    & a nearly simultaneous (1) water baptism by immersion followed immediately (2) by something
    similar to...but different (because the triune God is all 3, Father, Son, & Holy
    Spirit)..."spiritual baptism" (3:13-17) with the annointing of the Holy Spirit...the fullness of the 3 in one happened. In the baptism, (3) John The Baptist introduced Jesus as the Son of God (John 1:34). With that, two of John's disciples left John the Baptist to become the first two disciples of Jesus (Andrew and one other; and Andrew testifies to his own brother, Simon, who then presents himself to Jesus. Jesus renames him Peter.). So, immediately following His baptism, (4) the are 3 disciples...soon to be twelve. The baptism of Jesus is entirely unique in human history: baptismal Divine identification with humanity (the lowest "stoop" of identification possible)!
 ****From the first century
                      church forward, there have been those groups who dissented from the practices of the church
                      in Rome...baptism being one of the points of dissension (but, since nonconformist
                      views were intolerable in those days...really only being "tolerable" in some countries since
                      about 1950...those folks were among groups labeled as "heretics"). A bit prior to the
                      Protestant Reformation (some 1500 years after Jesus), sufficient concern coalesced about
                      infant baptism (alone) erroneously causing the baptized person to believe that he/she was a
                      true-believing, eternally saved Christian granted eternal salvation on the basis of baptism
                      alone. Yet, that person had never made a very personal, totally free-will decision for
                      Jesus...no "coming to belief"...or public profession of faith in their belief in Jesus.
                      Remember, the Christian's justification for his salvation is based solely on his true faith
                      in the saving grace of Jesus [see, here, how a person comes to this
                    point].
 In the tumult after the Protestant Reformation of 1517, a reformer group emerged  later who were objecting to infant baptism and
                      requiring an age-of-reason water re-baptism  were the Anabaptists (re-baptizers...in the 1500s, a branch of the anabaptist movement were the Mennonites [from whom came the Amish]). The official
                      governments/churches (remember, they were one and the same) had them killed off by the
                      thousands. The Protestant Reformation of 1520 AD began the separation of church and state on
                      a more massive scale (saving the church from state-types of corruption). Today, while many do not, various
                      Christian churches & denominations continue infant baptism: 
                    
                        
                            as the way to
                            eternal salvation (a sacramental ritual inducing the gift [and indwelling ?] of the
                            Holy Spirit?...where is the scriptural support for this?) vs.,
                        
                        
                            as a sign of
                            God's new covenant through Jesus vs.,
                        
                        
                            as a deference
                            to long tradition to be later confirmed at an age-of-reason "confirmation" process with
                            declaration of faith (and, if true belief, incoming of the Holy Spirit) at an age of
                            reason, vs.,
                        
                        
                            as some type of
                            dedication or step into Christianity with an age-of-reason baptism later
                            vs.,
                        
                        
                            a "means of
                            grace" instilling spiritual rebirth & sanctification vs.,
                        
                        
                            as a sacramental covenantal baptism
                                 later to be followed by a serious and official confirmation process with
                                 declaration of faith (and, if true belief, incoming of the Holy Spirit) at an age
                                 of reason.
 So, some practicing infant baptism subsequently
                      pinpoint official age-of-reason-and-choice entry into Christianity as being done at
                      Confirmation (the process of affirming/confirming one's infant baptism
                      before the church & declaring one's belief & status as a believer). Confirmation
                      tends to be a serious (up-to-a-year-or-two-long) study of doctrines/tenets and aspects of
                      Christian faith and of that particular Christian church or protestant denomination...it hopes
                      to guarantee exposure to The Truth. If a confirmand truly "comes to belief" during the
                      confirmation process, the Holy Spirit baptism occurs. Some other denominations are concerned
                      that an organized, scheduled, and appointed profession of faith (some denominations call this
                      "profession of faith" a "confession" of faith & belief) at Confirmation may not be a
                      real, personal, "free will" choice. Many Christians in denominations who practice spontaneous
                      age-of-reason profession of faith, followed by water baptism, are concerned as to whether
                      many of those so christened truly chose Jesus and truly have faith in Him (or simply bowed to
                      parental, family, or church peer pressure or the emotion of the moment). Except for my
                      concerns as to how grace comes to those who are mentally incompetent, it seems to me that
                      under any church process, a person can seem to believe and get water baptized, though there
                      has been no incoming of the Holy Spirit because of lack of true belief. It is essentially
                      impossible for churches and denominations worldwide to agree to drop long-held modes,
                      beliefs, and traditions and come to a common, unified agreement about
                      baptism. As to infants being non-participants & unable
                      to know, also remember the Passover night in Egypt. All ate of the Passover
                      meal (Exodus 12:1-11); and, if the blood was not properly on the door, the eldest male (of
                      any age) would die (Exodus 12:12-13). Infant circumcision has already been mentioned. So,
                      what a family does or does not do may impact an infant. Therefore, why NOT attend spiritually
                      as a church to infants? Besides, Jesus declared His special interest in children (Matthew
                      18:4). It is a fact that the New Testament never has scriptural
                      direction for infant baptism but indirectly says to do so in the Great Commission
                      (Matthew 28:19). On the other hand, whether a person is a true believer, truly "born again in
                      Christ," is a fact only known for sure by God (the person in question being the only human
                      who can know enough about himself/herself to probably know the truth). And salvation
                      does not depend on ANY ritual...it must not depend on any human thing other
                      than a person truly "coming to belief" (or, can it even depend on that...Mark 10:26-27)! So
                      what is the point of Christian water baptism? Jesus was uniquely baptized beyond the age of 12
                      (Matthew 3:13-17; Mark 1:9), and Jesus commanded that his believers be
                      baptized (Matthew 28:18-20)...hence, the sacramental (sacred) attention to this in the
                      Christian church. John 5:24 would seem to indicate that "belief" saves...that "belief"
                      plus "Christian ritual water baptism" is not required for eternal
                      salvation. Ritual water believer's baptism publicly symbolizes: 
                    
                        
                            Relating
                            to the Covenantal God...the "new covenant" in Jesus...His death washing all
                            persons clean for remission/forgiveness of sin (but see effective vs.
                            efficient);
                        
                        
                    
                        
                            Experiential Christianity...the new believer,
                            through the incoming and indwelling Holy Spirit power, dies to the old sin life, buries
                            the old sin life, and he/she is raised to live a new life in Christ (Romans
                            6:1-6)...being a new creation, born again;
                        
                        
                            Prophetic Christianity...the hope and assurance of your own
                            resurrection from the grave of your own physical death and burial (I Corinthians
                          15:10-23).
 Additionally, ritual water
                      believer's baptism is the pattern of the New Testament church as detailed
                      many places in the book of Acts (such as Acts 2:41). Ritual water believer's baptism is the
                      sinner's conventional and customary public identification with Jesus Christ to his/her new
                      brothers and sisters in the body of believers. Can an infant understand this? Matthew 18:14 [note] already assures us that God is not willing for any child to be lost; and ritual
                      water baptism does not confer eternal security. Ritual water baptism is symbolic and
                      customary; and it is an ordinance of the church representing/celebrating (1) the believer's death to the fundamental
                      control of sin and (2) resurrection to a life now fundamentally identified with Christ. Jesus
                      underwent his own water baptism, not for personal sin...He was sinless...but to identify with
                      us sinners. As noted in Matthew 3:16, the water baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist was
                      immediately followed by something symbolic of His spiritual baptism by the Holy Spirit as
                      Jesus "...went up out of the water." Our Greece-born friend notes that, in that Greek
                      Orthodox Church in Greece, a child is baptized from several weeks of age to about 2 years.
                      That day of their baptism is their "naming day"...the devout give no official name or
                      haircuts until the day of their baptism. They don't celebrate a birthday; they celebrate
                      their "naming day". It is Baptist doctrine and custom that baptism be
                      by the total immersion mode ("as Jesus was baptized") and that such baptism is required in order to be a voting member
                      in the Baptist congregation of a local, organized body of believers. Quakers don't baptize at
                      all. As to mode (dunked vs. sprinkled
                      vs. etc.) of water baptism, please remember that the sacred act is "ritual
                      water believer's baptism"; the mode is not by any specific and sacred
                      commandment in the Bible. Do we take attention away from the love and grace of God when we
                      worry (even worse, fight & bicker) over details which can only be inferred from
                      scripture (and do we become too legalistic as we argue?)? As you can imagine, church
                      statistics throughout the world as to the number of Christian baptisms performed only refer
                      to the number of people who got wet with water...they do not reflect numbers of Holy Spirit
                      baptisms! But God...the only keeper of TRUE baptismal statistics...knows the truth! Baptism is another
                      area of Christianity containing mystery and, therefore, grounds for disagreement between
                      churches & denominations. [what's so unique about Christ &
                      Christianity?][back to simple baptism outline] check out the Highest
                      TRUTH [posted June 1998; latest adjustments 10 December 2017]
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